very, very strong lobby. that is one of the major issues. when it come to the issue of magazines and how many rounds, ten rounds versus seven rounds, the question is, with the manufacturer's, are you allowed to restrict me from what i make. that's one of the major issues there. also, when you deal with all the other issues of the gun issue, you have a lot of passion on both sides. i believe from what we are hearing, bits the second amendment. many people feel they want to have guns to protect themselves or for sportsmanship legally. but people think -- >> but even a lot of those folks, when you ask them they'll say, yeah, we want to carry our guns but we also understand why universal back ground checks make sense. we understand why there should be some restrictions on the type of guns that we can have. >> well, the consensus is on the universal background checks. up and down pennsylvania.